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ZBA CASE No. 60 -SU --85
fearing Date: October 17, 1985
November 7, 1985
December 5, 1985
February 27, 1986
March 27, 1986
May 22, 1986
May 29, 1986
PETITIONER:
Marshall Turner
SUBJECT PROPERTY,
Sporty 9 Hole Golf Course, old orchard
Colony Country
North of Rand, West of Schoenbeck
and South of Camp Mc Donald Road
PUBLICATION DATE.
October 1, 1985
REQUEST:
Application for approval of proposed
modifications to Planned Unit
Development/Consent Decree entered in
1972 to permit 3 buildings with a
maximum of 110 feet in height and 952
dwelling units. Additionally, revisions
are requested to the public improvements
as required by the Consent Decree
relative to sidewalks on Schoenbeck
Road and roadway improvements,
ZBA MEMBERS PRESENT:
Gilbert. Basnik f Chairman
Robert Brett rage r
Lois Brothers
Ronald Cassidy
John Green
Marilyn o ' May
ZBA MEMBER. ABSENT'
:Len Pet r uce l l i
OBJECTORS:
Donald Kreger, Repree'en .ing
Prospect. Heights
Names Oe Voss, Representing Prospect
Park District
Emmett. Stains, Representing
Colony Country Homeowners Association
Mr. Collins, 414 Camp Mc Donald Rd, P.H.
Prank Gilbert, 416 Camp McDonald, P.H.
TBA 60 -SU -85
May 29, 1986
Page 2 of 8
Messrs. Howard horde, Norman Samuelson, Robert Babb in and Marshall
Turner presented this case, which was continued from May 22, 1986.
Mr . Borde gave a brief summary of the proposal as presented at the
last meeting and of the Consent Decree entered in 1972, being case 65
CH 35000
The proposed development of this 38 acre parcel would include 3 11W11
shaped buildings built in a step type design starting with 2 stories
up to a height 8 stories, as opposed to the 10 story height
originally proposed in this case. Clusters of 110 townhouses are
included in the the total units, which has been reduced from 797 at
the last meeting to 788.
Mr. Borde stated that several questions were asked at the last
meeting and he would like to answer some of those questions at this
point .
Mr. Borde explained that the proposed development would have
security access, with the residents being able to enter using cards at
one gate with the second entrance being a security entrance with a
guard on 24 hour duty at the other gateW 01,
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In response to some questio . ns asked at the last meeting, Mr. Borde
stated that their traffic engineer has calculated that approximately
320 traffic movements would take place in per hour in the peak
periods, from 7:15-A.M. to 8:15 A.M. 11
The petitioner stated that this development would be compatible with
the surrounding area and would act as a* transition area between the
existing single family and the commercial property to the west. it
was also stated that in their opinion this development would have not
adverse effect on the surrounding property values.
It is proposed that the area would be very well landscaped, using much
of the existing vegetation surrounding this parcel.
As to the marketability of this type of rental development, Mro Bode
stated that according to their' market study there is a strong demand
for luxury rental units in the area with low supply.
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LBA 60 -SU -85
May 29, 1986
Page 3 of 8
The retention ponds are proposed in the locations in the northeast, and
southeast corners of the subject property due to the requirements of
Village. As to the concern relative to drainage, it was ,stated that
with development of this property there would be less drainage run --off
than in it present undeveloped. state,
Rents :dor these units are based upon an average of 85 to 95 cents per
square Foot, plus ,air conditioning, heat and garage, which would
result in one of the propbsed 20 studio apartments renting for
approximately $500 to $600 a unit. The one bedroom units would rent
From between $675 $800; one bedroom with den :from $850 $1,000; two
bedroom units would rent. for $$950 -- 1 , 150; and, three bedroom and
penthouse units From $1,100 to $1,400. The townhouses would rent
within the same range.
Access to the subject property off Schoenbeck was proposed due to
,,convenience and the ;fact. that Rand Road is too busy.
Recreational facilities will include a. playground area. :dor children,
as well as the other amenities previously stated. Additional open
space is available should the need arise.
As to sidewalks, Mr . Bo rde stated that sidewalks would be provided
along the south aide of camp McDonald tothe weet boundary of the
property, rather than as originally proposed, which was to the east
boundary of the out -lot. consideration would also be given for a
donation specifically for sidewalks at the northeast corner of
.Schoenbeck Road extending to Eisenhower School parking and a future
allocation of paving of 6 feet in width of the gravel from the school
to the Gary Morava mark District Building,
In response to a question of a. member of the Zoning Board of Appeals
as to having sidewalks around the entire complex, the petitioner
stated that it was their feeling that sidewalks should not be
installed along Rand Road since it, would be a danger to pedestrians,
considering, the volume of traf'f'ic.
ZBA 60 -SU -85 p.
May 29, 1986
Page 4 of 8
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The fencing proposed is for security purposes only, and in accordance
with their research, this is desired by future residents of the
complex. I
As to the density proposed, the townhouse area results in 11 units to
the to acre, with the remaining units being approximately 24-1/2 to
acre. Combining both areas the total units per acre the density would
equal 20.76 to the acre. These calculations include all the
open space for the 38 acres.
The height to the top of the roof of the penthouse would be
approximately 90 feet from approved grade. The height depends on the
type of mechanical equipment and size of the lobby,
As to the question of rental units versus condominium units, the
petitioner acknowledged the concerns expressed, but stated that the
developer will not be going for bonds and depending on the market,
conversion could happen at some time in the future.
Parking ' for this development would be at a ratio of 1.65 spaces per
unit for the apartments and 2.25 spaces per unit for the townhouses.
The petitioner stated that parking is of great concern to the
developer and that while the proposal is as stated, there would be
some "land -banking" so that additional parking spaces could be
provided if needed, .,
It is proposed that the parking spaces located outside would be
8-1/21 x 18' and 91 x 181 for indoor parking. These standards are
recommended by Barton/Ashman for all future multi -family dwelling
structures.
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As to concerns expressed relative to the effect of ' the development on
the school population, the petitioner stated that based on the
projected population of at 1,368 in is anticipated that 78 grade
school and 26 high school children. These calculations are based on
statistics of condominiums since there is not information available on
this type of rental units.
`ZBA 60 -SU -85
May 29, 1986
Page 5 of 8
As to the fencing proposed and the fact that staff stated that
consistent fencing materials be used, it was stated by the landscape
architect that the area has 3 distinct borders. Along Rand Road there
is heavy mature vegetation that the developer would like to save. The
proposed fencing for this area would be maintenance free chain link,
so as to retain the natural barrier. It is proposed that the other
outer edges have brick posts approximately 6 feet in height with
wrought -iron poles approximately 41 8" high in-between.
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There is considerable landscaping within the property and it is the
intention of the petitioner to retain it and/or move many trees within
the complex.
Mr. Kreger, Attorney for the City of Prospect Heights, expressed the
objection of Prospect Heights, stating that the Consent Decree is
being questioned in Court and that the Village Board and the Court is
the appropriate forum to consider this request. The Zoning Board of
Appeals should only consider the standards of the Zoning Ordinancd.
It was stated that this proposal is not compatible with the e,
surrounding area, A written objection was submitted on behalf of the
City of Prospect Heights,
Mr. Emmett Stains, representing homeowners within the Old Orqhard
Colony Country development, stated that it is their consensus that the
design of this development as ,presented would be the finest in the
area. He stated that the petitioner has done an outstanding job on
retaining green space and especially likes the idea of "land banking"
for possible future parking, Mr. Stains did stated that there is a
concern relative to the proposed chain link fencing and would ask that
that not be permitted,
It was also noted that in the opinion of the hoteowners in the Colony
Country, Schoenbeck Road should be 51 feet wide at the entrance way
and deceleration and turning lanes should be provided at Camp McDonald
and Schoenbeck Roads, Sidewalks should also be provided around this
development..
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Mr. Stains stated that in accordance with the Fire Department's
request, the petitioner has agreed to install sprinkl-ers within every
unit, due to the fact that it might take up to 7 minutes for the Fire
Department to arrive dri the scene. It was noted that when Colony
ZBA 60 -SU -85
May 29, 1986
Page 6 of 8
Country was developed land was dedicated for a fire station at Euclii
and Elmhurst Road and the fact that no fire station was built and
sprinklers were not installed in that development would appear unfair
to the existing homeowners. Mr. Stains also stated that that water
from sprinklers can cause more damage than fire itself.
The Prospect Heights Park District has requested $100 per unit
donation and Mr. Stains stated that this amount should be justified by
t,h,e Park District and that the petitione,"r, should ndt be pe,nal-*zed
without, presenting a formulla f'or that ca,lcuilationoi, It wias also stated,
that rental units would not bring people that are involved in the
community such as owners.
As to the drainage and sewers, Mr. Stains stated that the existing
sewers may not be adequate, noting that although the Colony Country
went through the expense of bringing their sewer system to comply with
the Village, *the Village has still not accepted the sewers as a part
of the Village's system, It was also noted that he would hope the
water supply was adequate so that the existing homeowners would not be
affected with lack of pressure.
Mr. De Voss, Director of Prospect Heights Park District, asked at what
point the recreation facilities would be built. The peoner stated
that it would all be done in phases, with the first recreational
facilities to be built 22 months after construction begions. Mr. De
Voss repeated that he feels this development would place a hardship on
the'Park District.
In response to Mr. De Voss' question as to facilities to be provided,
the petitioners stated as follows,*
Three tennis courts
Olympic size pool
Lockers and showers
Meeting rooms
Ping Pong
Billiards
Board games
Jogging paths with
Suana
Jacuzzi
(possible lighted)
Fitness exercise areas
ZBA 60 -SU -85
May 29, 1986
Page 7 of 8
As to the retention ponds, it was stated that there will be fish in
the ponds and that the banks will be sloped for safety.
The Zoning Board of Appeals members expressed their concerns as
follows:
John Green asked that the cul de sac's be 100 feet in
diameter, in accordance with the recommendation of the Fire Department
as well as all other recommendations of the Fire Department be met.
Mr. Green also stated that he did not approve of the sidewalks being
placed at the curb, both for safety and snow plowing reasons, stating
that there should be some type of parkway area between the roadway and
sidewalks within the complex,
Mr. Basnik stated that the Village standards for parking are 91 x 201
and questioned the advisability of B-1/21 wide spaces, stating that
in is opinion that would be too narrow. Staff stated that based on
their recent research, the 8-1/21 width might be substantiated and
that they had no problem with the 181 length,
Mr. Basnik also asked what density would be permitted under existing
regulations. Staff stated that based on the size of this parcel,
there could be 16 units per acre under existing Code regulations,
however, under a Planned Unit Development (PUD) 668 units would be
permitted, Staff also added that this property lends itself to a PUD.
The proposal exceeds would a PUD would permit by approximately 18%
In response to a concern relative to open space, the petitioner stated
that he would agree to covenant the open space as presented, but
stated he might need some of it in accordance with his plan for a
"land bank" should additional parking be needed in the future.
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As to the question of public improvements, staff stated that in
accordance with the Village Code, the petitioner woul-d be required to
install sidewalks, curbs, gutters, street lights, and parkway trees on
all roadways.
The following opinions were voiced by the members of the Zoning Board
of Appeals prior to a vote on this request:
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May 29, 1986
Page 8 of 8
Mrs. Brothers stated that while she likes the project, she would like
have the total number of units reduced,
Mr. Cassidy stated that the 8 story height proposed is too high and
that in his opinion people moved :from the city to the suburbs to get
away from high buildings.
Mr. Green expressed his feeling that the quality of the proposal 'is
very good if it was able to meet Village standards, noting that many
improvements have been made to development standards over the past 14
years and he can not ignore those improved standards in this project.
Mr. Basnik stated that while he felt this 'is a good development, he
felt that 18% increase over the permitted density is too great and
stated that this case is a perfect candidate for compromise.
Mr. Brettrager also stated that he likes the project but the parking
and public improvements are a concern to him.
Mr. Cassidy, seconded by Mr. Brettrager, moved to grant the request. in
Case ZBA 60 -SU -85 in accordance with the testimony presented.
Upon roll call: Ayes* Brettrager
Nays. Brothers, Cassidy, Green ,,O'May , Basnik
Motion failed.
Mr. Borde asked 'if he was correct in interpreting the Zoning Board of
Appeals vote as being taken was done so' as considering it a Special
Use from the existing Village Code, rather than considering it an
amendment from the Consent Decree, stating that in accordance with the
Consent Decree the Village Manager would present a requested
modification to the Village Board and that Board would have 30 days to
issue their recommendation.
Mr. Basnik stated that the Zoning Beard oard of Appeals did consider this
case as a request for a Special Use for existing regulations since the
legalities involved with the Consent Decree are not within the
jurisdiction of the Zoning Board of Appeals.,
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Carol A. Fields
Recording Secretary
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MINUI.L of THE REGULAR MEET., bF THE
MOUNT PROSPECT ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
ZBA CASE NO. 60-SU-85 Hearing Date!, October 17, 1985
November 7, 1985
December 5, 1985
February 27, 1986
March 27, 1986
May 22, 1986
PETITIONER. Marshall Turner
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SUBJECT PROPERTY, Sporty 9 Hole Golf Course, Old Orchard
Colony Country
North of Rand, West of Schoenbeck
and South of Camp Mc Donald Road
PUBLICATION DATE: October 1. 1985
REQUEST: Application for approval of proposed
modifications to Planned Unit
Development/Consent Decree entered in
1972 to permit 3 buildings with a
maximum of 110 feet in height and 952
dwelling units. Additionally, revisions
are requested to the public improvements
as required by the Consent Decree
relative to sidewalks on Schoenbeck
Road and roadway improvements,
ZBA MEMBERS PRESENT: Gilbert Basniki Chairman
Lois Brothers
Ronald Cassidy
John Green
Marilyn o' May
LEA MEMBERS ABSENT: Robert Brett rage r
Len Pet rucelli"
OBJECTORS, Donald Kreuger, Representing
Prospect Heights
Eugene Schlickman, President
Colony Country Community Association
James De Voss, Presenting Prospect
Park District
Emmett Stains, Representing
Colony Country Homeowners Association
Mr. Collins, 414 Camp Mc Donald Rd, P.H.
Marian Wilaco, 305 Willow, P.H.
Nancy Walker, 1400 Yarmouth Place
Dorothy Rolew, Yarmouth Place
Vivian Rodus, Colony Country
ZBA 60 -SU -85
may 22, 1 986
Page 2 of 5
Messrs. Howard Borde, Norman Samuelsont Robert Babbin and Marshall
Turner presented this case, which has been continued for several
months. It was noted that numerous meetings with staff 'I-iave taken
place and the proposal is a result of those meetings.
Mr. Bordie gave a brief summary of the Consent Decree entered in 1972,
being case 65 CH 3500, in which there is verbage that the Village
President and Board of Trustees shall consider any modifications,
however it was at the direction of the Village Board that this matter
is brought before the Zoning Board of Appeals,
It was noted that the original Consent Decree permitted 1,168 units
with 3 buildings not to exceed 12 stories in height along with
and townhouses; that buildings permit fees would be those in effect at
the time the Consent Decree was entered; and, that amendments to the
Zoning Ordinance made after the, date of the Decree would not affect
this development and that no donations would be required of the
developer,.
It is proposed that this 38 acre parcel be developed with 3 "W" shaped
buildings built in a step type design starting with 4 stories to 8
stories, The iplan presented in October, 1985 proposed buildings 10
stories n height. There would also be clusters of townhouses. Mr.
Babbin explained that the townhouse clusters weredesigned in a way as
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to accompilsh a feeling of community within that type of housing.
There would i
be approxmately 430 underground parking spaces in the
elevator buildings.
This proposal calls for 788 dwelling units, as compared to the
original proposed in this case last year of 952 units, which is a
reduction of 16%. Included in this number is 119 townhouse units,
which number was reduced from 128 on the plans submitted
Mr. Babbin stated that this development would have security access,
with the residents being able to use their entry cards at one gate
and a security guard on 24 hour duty at the other gate. The
security guard would also have visual contact with the un manned gate
via a televised security system. The gate houses would be 2 -stories,
with the second floor to house staff and the first floor housing
garden equipment and the actual guard station. +
Parking for the high rise development would be at a ratio of 1.65
spaces per unit. Construction would be of a decorative brick with
lime -stone, The townho'uses would have bay windows, wood siding, pitch
roofs, and garage doors set back to minimize the appearance of the
garage door.
Guest parking would be provided,,
Z B A 60 -SU -85
May 22, 198E
Page 3 of 5
The center of the elevator buildings area will have an open area of
approximately 400 s. ft.
:In accordance with the request of the Fire Department, the developer
has agreed to provide fiberglass matting in the cul de sac areas
at the elevator buildings for adequate footings for the various
pieces of fire equipment. Thpetitioner
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o stated that all dwelling
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un * is will. be 100% sprinklered.
The proposed sizes of units are as follows
Studio apartments
One bedroom units
Two bedroom units
Two bedrooms 2-1/2 /'2 bath s
Two bedrooms Plus
Three bedrooms
minimum of 550 sq. ft.
750 sq. ft.
975 sq. ft,
1,100 sq. ft,
1,200 sq. ft.
1,359 sq. ft.
Some of the amenities proposed are 3 tennis courts, swimming pool,
recreation building, retention ponds and mature landscaping ,a in
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paths with fitness work-out areas in various areas of thep ath .
The entire development would be enclosed, for secUrity, within 6 foot
high fences. The type of fencing materials would depend on the
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particular area, singe there are areas with heavy vegetation which the
petitioner would like to have remain.
The three roadways surrounding the subject. property are Rand board
Schoenbeckand Carp McDonald, Rand Road is a state roadway d the
other two are County r y an •
y oadway,s . The proposal, includes udes the realignment
of Schoenbeck Road approximately 300 feet west, which is a req ui rement
of the Consent Decree and would make the distance between the traffic
signal. at. Euclid and Road and thero► osed traffic i `
p p c s�.gnal at Rand and
Schoenbeck Roads safer for -motorists,
The following concerns were expressed b► residents of Mount Prospect
and Prospect. Heights.0
Prospect Heights would like to review the plans.
What is the closest location of buildings of this height
in the area?
What type of traffic will be generated?
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May 2 2, 19 8 1,
Page 4 of 5
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Is the proposal compatible with the surrounding area.?
Wnat price range would the rents be.?
Why is Schoenbeck Road shown as 41 feet wide and why is
it proposed at the indicated location?
What type of recreation will be offered the residents and
what impact would the increased population have on the
Prospect Heights Park District?
Will the developer make donations to Library and Park District?
Will there be sidewalks to the Park District building?.
Is there a need for rental property in this area?
Will there be any subsidized housing.?
What is the construction schedule.?
What will happen to the 181hole golf course.?
&Will there be sidewalks around the development ?
The following responses were given to the questions and concerns
expressed:
As to compatibility, it was the opinion of staff that multi -family
is a good use for this area.
The rents would range from $500 - $600 for a studio apartment, 2
bedrooms would rent for between $950 - $1,150, and between
$1,100 to $1,400 for a 3 bedroom.
The width of Schoenbeck Road is proposed to be 2 lanes from Camp
McDonald to the entrance and 3 lances from the entrance to Rand
Road. The 'relocation is part of the Consent Decree and would
make the traffic signal more useful at the proposed location.
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The recreational facilities would include 3 tennis courts,
olympic size swimming pool, jogging paths with exercise areas
along the pathway.
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ZBA 60-SU-85
May 22, 1986
Page 5 of 5
The Village does not have a park donation ordinance and the
Consent Decree states that the developer need not make such
donations,
The developer will install some sidewalks in various areas.
Market studies indicate that there is a market for quality rental
housing.
There will be no subsidized housing in this development,
The construction schedule would call for phases and those details
yet to be finalized.
The 18 hole golf course has 35 years left on the Consent
Decree as 'it presently exists.
As stated above, it is proposed that sidewalks will be installed
in various areas around the development.
It was stated by residents of the area that Eisenhower School is very
close to this development and the children have to walk to school
a -ft
therefore siaewalks and lights should be provided for their safety.
The petitioner stated that Cook County has plans to improve the
roadways in the area that the petitioner would coordinate any roadway
improvements with those plans.
Due to the late hour and the fact that the members of the Zoning Board
of Appeals hadnot had a chance to pose questions to the petitioner,
it was the decision of the Board to continue this case to the
following Thursday, May 29, 198600
Mr. Green, seconded by Mrs. Brothers, moved to continue this case to
May 29, 1986 and adjourn this meeting,
Upon roll call,
Motion carried,
Ayes: Unanimous
The meeting was adjourned at 10:30 P&M41
Carol A. Fields
Redording Secretary
Village Of Mount Prospect� � aW
Mount Prospect, Illinois
INTEROFFICE MEMORANDUM
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1! 0 : TERRANCE L* BURGHARD, VILLAGE MANAGER
FROM: STEPHEN M* PARK9 DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING
SUBJECT: ZBA- 60- SU- 8 5MARSHALL TURNER, ETAL
VISTAS AT OLD ORCHARD
LOCATION: NORTHWEST CORNER SCHOENBECK AND RAND ROADS
SPORTY NINE GOLF COURSE AT OLD ORCHARD
DATE: JUNE 109 1986
The Vistas/Tremont was procesised through the Zoning Board of
Appeals with several hearin,gs., At the.May 29, 198611 meeting, the
Zoning Board voted against recommending approval of this, appli,,,",
cation by a votie of 1-5. in, general, the member's felt, the,
approach to the site desisn was goo'd but th,'ree main issues
surfaced.
1. The number of units on the site and height of buildings
was excessive,
2. The parkingprovided was inadequate," 1 .1
3. Necessary public improvements were not proposed,
Street width
Sidewalks
Parkway trees
Street lights
Curb and gutter
Cam MacDonald Road
Sidewalks
Parkway trees
Street lights
Curb and gutter
17- I � MelFOXOM, I I
Sidewalks
Parkway trees
Street lights
4 Lane (South 411 (North
5' required
40' spacing
300' spacing (max.)
Both sides required
5' required
40'spacing
910' spacing (max.)
South side required
5' required
40' spacing
300' spacing (max..)
(IDOT may require
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3 Lane (South) 2 Lane (North)
None
None
Proposed
None
Proposed
None
1 at entrance
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